It was an unlikely meeting, a peace accord, of sorts, between defense tech entrepreneurs and woo gen-x moms who wear big fat linen pants: Gwyneth, the actress-turned-Goop-CEO, who sells Vitamin C serum and Yoni eggs to strengthen your pelvic floor, interviewing Trae Stephens, the Anduril cofounder and Founders Fund partner who spends his days, in part, building autonomous weapons for the Department of War.

Tuesday, they were sitting across a table in Goop’s podcast studio surrounded by various shades of yellow pillows. “I’ll go out on a limb,” Gwyneth begins, “and say maybe some of my Goop listeners haven’t heard of you.” (As one Bluesky poster wrote, trying to understand why this was happening… “tbf a jade egg dropped from hypersonic speed could do some damage.”)

Past guests include: dating shaman Esther Perel; protein evangelist Andrew Huberman; and Big Tech-troll Kara Swisher. Mostly, left-leaning woo girlies and wellness mamas… plus, associated “scientists” and psychotherapists — no one in defense, and definitely not anyone who’s worked directly with the Trump administration or the DOW. But this year, Gwyneth says, she’s made a commitment to be less partisan. She’s also, coincidentally, been getting redpilled and fighting with her leftist husband about it (more on that later).