After immigration raids sparked protests, downtown LA descended into chaos over the weekend. Right-leaning citizen journalist and political commentator Cam Higby was on the ground capturing some of the most dangerous (and viral) moments, including people burning Waymos and hurling rocks at police near City Hall. In this interview, Cam recalls the sequence of events and tries to make sense of it all — including why, exactly, the Waymos were targeted, the role of police (or lack thereof), and how various factions (ranging from responsible to anarchical) shaped the national narrative.

This conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity and brevity.